[xep-support] Re: Xep-support Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4

From: Jim Mott <jmott@pubdata.com>
Date: Wed Dec 08 2010 - 07:58:21 PST

Determining CMYK equivalents for RGB is a complex issue. There are
formulas out there for doing conversions, but they are not all that
satisfactory in many cases. It is frequently difficult to get what you
want. It comes down to a design question basically. You could use Adobe
Illustrator to do RRB-CMYK conversion and create your own table. For
example, create an RGB swatch in Illustrator and then use Illustrator to
convert it to CMYK, assuming you like the results. Or start with the
CMYK result you want, view the graphic as an EPS in Illustrator -- or
even MS Word -- and then convert the CMYK values to RGB to make the SVG,
and finally transform with XSL. As far as viewing the final SVG images,
why not just view PDF's created through RenderX?

Jim Mott

On 12/8/2010 10:39 AM, Anders Svensson wrote:
> Ok, thanks, I was considering something along those lines as a last resort.
> But is there a list of conversion values available then? Also, is there any
> way at all to view an svg file with these values? It seems our xml editor
> can't do it (Oxygen XML) so the writers won't be able to see the images, and
> again, opening them in IE doesn't work...
>
> Med vänliga hälsningar/Kind regards,
>
> Anders Svensson
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> From: "Anders Svensson"<anders.svensson@expertinfo.se>
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> Subject: [xep-support] Use SVG wth CMYK
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> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am trying to figure out how to be able to use SVG with CMYK, as xep is
> supposed to support. I found this post on the web from one of RenderXs
> support technicians:
>
>
>
> ===========================
>
> Hello Eliot,
>
> I re-read the SVG spec and have realized that icc-color() cannot be the
> first entry into a color specifier.
> [<http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#SpecifyingPaint>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#SpecifyingPaint].
>
> The first entry is a URL (gradient, pattern) or RGB color (as defined in
> CSS2 spec).
>
> So the 'fill' attribute in your example should look like:
> fill="rgb(178.5,255,255) icc-color(#CMYK, 0.3,0,0,0)"
>
> XEP 4.x includes colorbar.svg (images/colorbar.svg). 'icc-color' function is
>
> used intensively in that file. :)
>
> With best regards,
> Alexei Gagarinov
> RenderX
>
> ===========================
>
>
>
> That sounds good, and I looked at the colorbar.svg example file. The problem
> is, how do you actually create such files? I mean, there doesn?t seem to be
> any support for it in Adobe Illustrator that I can find, and searching
> Inkscape forums seems to suggest they don?t have any built-in support for
> creating files like this either. So how are you supposed to create them?
> Surely you are not meant to write the graphic files by hand? Specifically
> what I need to do is save EPS files as SVG with this color profile in the
> SVG file.
>
>
>
> BTW, an image like colorbar.svg is only usable by xep (and other special
> tools that support this function)? Because looking at it in IE (just for
> reviewing) it doesn?t display as a color bar, only two black bars on each
> end.
>
>
>
> Med v?nliga h?lsningar/Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Anders Svensson
>
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> From: Jim Mott<jmott@pubdata.com>
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> Subject: [xep-support] Re: Use SVG wth CMYK
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> Anders,
>
> To get CMYK values in your SVG per the RenderX syntax, you might
> consider using XSL to convert the RGB values in the SVG to the CMYK values.
>
> Jim Mott
>
>
> On 12/8/2010 9:01 AM, Anders Svensson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to figure out how to be able to use SVG with CMYK, as xep
>> is supposed to support. I found this post on the web from one of
>> RenderXs support technicians:
>>
>> ===========================
>>
>> /Hello Eliot, /
>>
>> /I re-read the SVG spec and have realized that icc-color() cannot be the
>> first entry into a color specifier.
>> [http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/painting.html#SpecifyingPaint//]. /
>>
>> /The first entry is a URL (gradient, pattern) or RGB color (as defined in
>> CSS2 spec). /
>>
>> /So the 'fill' attribute in your example should look like:
>> fill="rgb(178.5,255,255) icc-color(#CMYK, 0.3,0,0,0)" /
>>
>> /XEP 4.x includes colorbar.svg (images/colorbar.svg). 'icc-color'
>> function is
>> used intensively in that file. :) /
>>
>> /With best regards,
>> Alexei Gagarinov
>> RenderX /
>>
>> ===========================
>>
>> That sounds good, and I looked at the colorbar.svg example file. The
>> problem is, how do you actually create such files? I mean, there
>> doesn't seem to be any support for it in Adobe Illustrator that I can
>> find, and searching Inkscape fo rums seems to suggest they don't have
>> any built-in support for creating files like this either. So how are
>> you supposed to create them? Surely you are not meant to write the
>> graphic files by hand? Specifically what I need to do is save EPS
>> files as SVG with this color profile in the SVG file.
>>
>> BTW, an image like colorbar.svg is only usable by xep (and other
>> special tools that support this function)? Because looking at it in IE
>> (just for reviewing) it doesn't display as a color bar, only two black
>> bars on each end.
>>
>> Med v?nliga h?lsningar/Kind regards,
>>
>> Anders Svensson
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________________
>> ____
>>
>> www.expertinfo.se<http://www.expertinfo.se/> | Teknikinformation,
>> XML-system och spr?kkonsulttj?nster | anders.svensson@expertinfo.se
>> <mailto:anders.naslund@expertinfo.se>|
>>
>> St Eriksgatan 117 113 43 Stockholm | Phone +46 8 559 22 190 | Cell +46
>> 70 815 99 02 | Fax +46 8 760 90 11
>>
>> Please consider the planet before printing this e-mail.
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