From: Ruth, Brice (bruth@Fiskars.com)
Date: Tue Jun 01 2004 - 06:38:32 PDT
Alexander,
Where can I get more information on doing this? What I'll try to do is
export a PDF from Adobe Illustrator that has the non-varying data
elements in it (graphics), with the correct color coding, then use this
PDF as a background to my varying data, which I need to be able to place
correctly.
Obviously, alignment will be key - so that everything lines up
correctly. I can create an SVG that sets up the fonts & placement of the
varying data ... or should I just do everything in XSL-FO?
Either way, I guess I need some pointers on where to look for
information on doing this. Since this is a new approach for this
project, I need to develop a proof-of-concept for my manager to view,
and produce a PDF from the process that I can have verified by our
printer to be "correct" for pre-press.
Thanks!
Brice
p.s. Are you the only individual providing support for XEP?
Alexander Peshkov wrote:
>Hello Brice,
>
>Sorry for delay, I was slightly overloaded last week. When you use PDF
>with spot colors as an image XEP will preserve color information in
>the output. As for the insertion of data - it depends strongly on the
>particular case. Surely with SVG you can do all kind of things (i.e.
>using XSLT), but if you simply want to place some text in predefined
>places of the page - then PDF image may work fine. I'm aware that
>some our clients use PDF images as background and overwrite them with
>data.
>
>Best regards,
>Alexander Peshkov mailto:peshkov@renderx.com
>RenderX
>
>
>RB> Any further word on this? Anyone? Alexander?
>
>RB> Ruth, Brice wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Alexander,
>>>
>>>How would I go about encoding the use of CMYK and Pantone spot colors
>>>in the PDF? I wouldn't mind skipping the SVG step from Illustrator
>>>entirely, and using the PDF natively - but I have to admit, I'm very
>>>much unsure how that works. I'm most familiar with XML & XSL, and know
>>>next to nothing about PDF's native format.
>>>
>>>Can I use Illustrator's native PDF and still use it as a template to
>>>marry data into it and have XEP produce the final PDF?
>>>
>>>One thing I noticed is that if I save from Illustrator, a PDF with
>>>'PRESS' settings, it correctly encodes the Pantone colors and what not
>>>... it also places the registration/crop marks which the print shop
>>>would like to see (and I would have to do manually with an SVG).
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Brice
>>>
>>>Alexander Peshkov wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello Brice,
>>>>
>>>>Surely RenderX XEP is not supposed to be used as 'backend' for Batik.
>>>>But you can (and should :-) use XEP to achieve your goal. Simple
>>>>XSL-FO document below demonstrates how you can wrap SVG image into
>>>>XSL-FO:
>>>>
>>>><?xml version="1.0"?>
>>>><fo:root xmlns:fo="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format">
>>>> <fo:layout-master-set>
>>>> <fo:simple-page-master master-name="main">
>>>> <fo:region-body/>
>>>> </fo:simple-page-master>
>>>> </fo:layout-master-set>
>>>> <fo:page-sequence master-reference="main">
>>>> <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-body">
>>>> <fo:block>
>>>> <fo:external-graphic src="url('your_image.svg')"/>
>>>> </fo:block>
>>>> </fo:flow>
>>>> </fo:page-sequence>
>>>></fo:root>
>>>>
>>>>(you can use fo:instream-foreign-object element instead of
>>>>fo:external-graphic if you want to embed SVG content inside of XSL-FO.)
>>>>
>>>>One possible approach to your task is to write dedicated XSLT
>>>>stylesheet that takes as an input SVG exported by Illustrator and
>>>>required data, "marry" them and produce XSL-FO that then rendered into
>>>>PDF by XEP. XEP can also use PDFs as vector images so you can save your
>>>>Illustrator documents as PDF if you wish.
>>>>Vector graphical formats supported by XEP described in its
>>>>documentation (http://xep.xattic.com/xep/doc/spec.html#Vector)
>>>>
>>>>Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Alexander Peshkov mailto:peshkov@renderx.com
>>>>RenderX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RB> Greetings.
>>>>
>>>>RB> I'm currently in the process of putting together a backend that
>>>>will RB> take Illustrator CS created template documents, exported to
>>>>SVG, then RB> married with data, to be output as a print-ready PDF.
>>>>By print-ready, I RB> mean that this will go to a print shop, not so
>>>>much a common printer RB> device. So, things like CMYK & Pantone spot
>>>>colors are important to RB> preserve.
>>>>
>>>>RB> I've landed at RenderX, because I'm using Batik, which uses
>>>>Apache's FOP RB> backend to generate PDFs from SVG. However, Apache's
>>>>FOP doesn't handle RB> colors as well as RenderX supposedly does, so
>>>>I'm here.
>>>>
>>>>RB> Now - my question to the list is quite simple: can I use RenderX
>>>>as a RB> backend to Batik? If not, or if the process would be
>>>>excessively RB> complex, can (should?) I use RenderX directly to
>>>>generate a PDF from RB> SVG? If so, I'm guessing I'll need to wrap a
>>>>bit of XML/XSL-FO around my RB> SVG. Without getting too deep into
>>>>XSL-FO, what would be the RB> base-minimum amount of markup I would
>>>>need to be able to start testing RB> the RenderX trial version?
>>>>
>>>>RB> What type of documentation is out there for using the more
>>>>advanced RB> color extensions for RenderX? Does RenderX only support
>>>>CMYK, or is RB> there a way of generating a PDF with spot-color
>>>>information?! If this RB> latter point is not possible, what options
>>>>am I left with to generate a RB> press-ready PDF?
>>>>
>>>>RB> TIA!
>>>>RB> Brice Ruth
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