RE: [xep-support] Support of special types of spaces

Best regards / Vänlig hälsning,
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Mats Broberg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xep-support@renderx.com
> [mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Villegas
> Sent: den 19 oktober 2005 12:05
> To: xep-support@renderx.com
> Subject: Re: [xep-support] Support of special types of spaces
>
> I agree.
>
> However, some of these typographical spaces had a very
> specific purpose.
> For example the space between a word and a specific
> punctuation mark. In this case, the font designer has already
> taken care of it and there should be no space at all before
> punctuation marks. If necessary the formatter should use
> information inside the font such as kerning to alter those
> spaces depending on context.
>
> Nevertherless, high quality typesetting still requires
> specific spaces in certain contexts that are impossible for
> the formatter to determine reliably. For example, those
> depending on semantics, I can't think of an example now but
> I'm aware that there are cases when reading about typography
> and TeX, for instance. In those cases, human intervention is
> required, in this case in the form of XML tagging. That's why
> we need support in the formatter to specify those spaces
> using the same terms of traditional typography. That's the
> reason they were included in Unicode after all. Notice also
> that even if space between words is allowed to vary we still
> need some spaces in some cases to remain fixed. For example
> the space in "Fig. 1", a non-breakable space of a specific
> width probably accounted for in high quality typography.
>
> As David said you can get around using fo:leader but as you
> said also it will be more convenient if the formatter handled
> those spaces directly.
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> Carlos
>
> Broberg, Mats wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > Not quite true.
> >
> > The reason typographic spaces still exist has nothing
> whatsoever to do
> > with the fact that they were once cast in lead. They would have
> > appeared in any technology, because fine typesetting requires fixed
> > spaces. And they are still there, because users need them.
> Perhaps not
> > the average MS Word users, but typesetters.
> >
> > Using entities is a detour for the typesetter and the
> standard should
> > offer the typesetter to enter fixed spaces as any other type of
> > character. One of the very ideas with a new technology is that it
> > should exceed the level of precision or quality as the one it
> > supersedes - and it should do that faster and easier. Not
> the opposite.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mats Broberg
> > Technical Documentation Manager
> >
> > www.flirthermography.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-xep-support@renderx.com
> >>[mailto:owner-xep-support@renderx.com] On Behalf Of David Tolpin
> >>Sent: den 19 oktober 2005 10:21
> >>To: xep-support@renderx.com
> >>Subject: Re: [xep-support] Support of special types of spaces
> >
> >
> >>The only reason typographic spaces exist is that they were cast in
> >>lead. It's legacy, it results in poor typography, and
> creates problems
> >>which are hard to resolve (typographically, not
> programmatically). For
> >>good typography, define entities of appropriate names and
> map them to
> >>space-filled leaders of appropriate lengths -- and use them
> for truly
> >>good typography.
> >>
> >>David
> >
> >
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Received on Wed Oct 19 06:44:23 2005